Frivology

This went out last week or the week before in the atheist community, but I wasn’t really paying much attention as I was getting over a short weekend vacationa nd catching up on work.  I finally got to finish watching it today. 

Apparently the father jumped into the beginning of this thread on RichardDawkins.net, then immediately disappeared.  There’s so much to say about Deborah, I honestly have no idea where to start.  The first of which that caught me so shocking is … is evangelical Christianity just a giant excuse for people to act incredibly superior and judgmental to others?  No wonder she has no friends.  I wouldn’t want to be her friend, either.

Part of the original purpose of this blog was for me to discover what sort of an atheist I am.  It’s all starting to fall into place now, thanks to the authors I’ve read, blogs I’ve read and discussions I’ve participated in.  I think I fall fairly firmly into the arena of ‘New Atheist’, and though we are called a number of anmes, including arrogant, I have to say that I can’t see that there’s any other way to be.  It makes me physically ill to think, for example, of the things that are done to women in the name of religion in the Middle East. 

Thease are not things that I can just sit idly by and say ‘well, they can do what they want’… and I’ll probably go into detail as to why in another post, but Hemant has up a post talking about a book talking about the subject and one paragraph rubbed me the wrong way. 

For one, they aren’t giving people an alternative to religion. If you lose your faith in God, you still may want that emotional high you get every week, and the sense of community you get with a church, and a safe place to go when things aren’t going well for you. The New Atheists don’t touch on these subjects in too much depth.

via What Do You Dislike About the New Atheists? | Friendly Atheist by Hemant Mehta.

I agree that this doesn’t happen, I disagree that it matters, but then I also agree that it matters.  I know… that doesn’t make much sense, but here’s the thing… religion hasn’t been a part of my emotional or communal makeup for a very, very long time.  I think the average agnostic, on the edge of atheist, feels the same way.  We have our friends from various places.  We do things with them, we go to work, we go to various places of interest, we go home… none of it matters.  Dropping God from the whole equation is just a matter of intellectual honesty.  We never believed before, so now we’re just sort of cementing the disbelief.  I quit smoking five years ago and replaced it with nothing.  I quit God about three years ago and also replaced it with nothing. 

However, there’s something that I /would/ like to see.  In talking with Articulett prior to bringing her on as a blogger for Frivology, she sent me a few links to people who were adversely affected by becoming an atheist and standing by it.  These are people who would likely qualify as ‘new’ atheists.  They won’t bow their heads quietly and participate in the Lord’s Prayer just to not cause a fuss.  They won’t just quietly not answer or leave the crowd when religion discussions come up.  They are who they are, and that’s that… and in some places that’s not okay.  For those sorts of people we should have a community, we should have a network that is their safety net.  A safety net that hopefully someday no one will need anymore, but one t hat is still needed right now.  Yet, I don’t think that safety net is the same thing as what a church or an organized religion provides - nor should it be.

I’ve got a whole lot of podcasts to listen to these days… too many, I think. I actually just recently had to give some of them the axe and I brought a few new ones into the fold, thanks to Articulett at the RD Forums, who pointed me to some of her faves, who I’m now picking up on. I’ll be changing my links list to show the changes.

Of them, I have to say my favorites are: The crew at The Atheist Experience and The Non-Prophets and Chariots of Iron. I’ve never felt bored listening to any of these guys. My one wish? That there were some female voices out there. I just recently picked up the Skepchick Podcast, but I’m not sure they update often enough for me. Anyone have any recommendations?

…and cool hair! This is pretty cool, actually. Come to America, Susi! School our school kids.

Dan J tossed this in my comments since it sounds a lot like Jonny-Boy and his atheist apologist friends over at the RD forums.  I have to say that joining the RD forums and actually participating in threads is the single-most best thing I’ve done as an atheist, yet.  It’s made me realize where the lines are drawn in the whole debate about whether or not atheists should be loudmouthed or quiet.  Right now, I’m throwing my lot in with the loudmouths.  Especially when I start reading trash like this… 

With religion, I think atheists have the same dissonance going on. If they really think the world would be better off without religion, they shouldn’t hate religion and call believers fools. Any successful new belief system must appreciate the beauty of what it’s replacing and strive for backwards-compatibility. If Matthew 1:1-16 hadn’t explained how Jesus’ lineage fulfills the prophecy in Isaiah 1:1-5, it wouldn’t have gotten where it is today.

via Big Tent Atheism - Boing Boing .

Personally, I think Boing Boing is an utter piece of steaming shit.  It’s the kind of place that people should go to learn what NOT to blog about.  It’s the Paris Hilton of blogs.  It doesn’t do anything well, isn’t terribly attractive, says a lot of really stupid shit and still manages to dry hump everything out there.  This is another example of why I can’t stand the place or anything like it. 

This doesn’t even make sense. 

I think closeted atheists who participate in other religious activities are the future of atheism. They know that prayer feels good without a needing brain scientist to tell them, and they know you don’t need God to want to feed the hungry, heal the sick, and provide homes for the orphaned. What if they simply stopped reciting the words that they didn’t agree with during religious services, without calling attention to it? In many places I don’t think they would be kicked out or turned upon and beaten just for that.

Let me fix that for you… 

I think closeted homosexuals who participate in heterosexual activities are the future of gayness.  They know that heterosexual sex feels good without needing a brain scientist to tell them, and they know you don’t need heterosexuality to have a family, raise kids and be a good parent.  What if they simply married heterosexuals and just quietly didn’t recite ‘I do’ during the wedding vows without calling attention to it?  In many places I don’t think they would be kicked out or turned upon and beaten just for that. 

See what I did there? 

That’s just stupid.  Deny what you aren’t so that you can fit in with the masses, atheists.  Apparently, that’s the only way atheism is going to do anything.

There’s a bit of a kerfuffle going on at Pharyngula, and I specifically use such a silly word because it’s a pretty silly discussion.  Luckily, PZ is taking it just as silly as it really is.  Short version - he linked to a site that had a poll going on, which ended up getting that poll around 4,000 new votes skewed toward his reader’s views.  The owner of the site threw a hissy fit about it and some guy - not even the site’s owner - is now threatening to tell PZ’s college and ISP what a naughty man he is by allowing people to make fun of others and use naughty words in comments.  Yeah, not kidding.  Kerfuffle.  I got involved in the tangle when the kerfuffle-starter, Jon, showed up at the Richard Dawkins forums and started to talk down to everyone around.

First… we aren’t good enough Atheists:

In my own life, I’ve spent nearly 24 years out of 40 contending with religious bigotry in my own family (and being ostracised for it), campaigning against religiously motivated politics, actively supporting pro-choice groups in Ireland, giving money and time to UK secular organisations and more recently co-ordinating with atheists locally on an arts-based music project. I’m not some silly, zeitgeist-jumping little twerp (who would probably sign-up to Christianity if it could promise to cure acne) that recently bought a t-shirt and read a book! I care passionately about atheism and humanism and I’ve had to take a real stand for both. Watching them get wrecked will not be a welcome end result.

Then, later, we see his supposedly final post in the Pharyngula comments where he insults World of Warcraft players (of which I am one) and anyone who would dare to shed insults at him (though he seems impervious to the claims that he’s giving because he doesn’t use naughty words when he insults people), all wrapped in a neat bow of implied violence. Oh yes, and lest I forget… there’s another jab at anyone who’s not as strongly atheist as he is.

Final point – a colleague at work used to play World of Warcraft and I asked him about it once. He said it was full of little dweebs (mostly kids) playing at being tough demonic-style warriors, whereas for him he had a bit of a laugh playing as a nature loving elf. Basically the characters people chose generally reflected something they didn’t get a chance to be in their lives—which kind of makes sense.

Now, that guy and myself both work as psych nurses. We’ve both earned extra money as doormen and we’ve both – a few years back—been known as people you really shouldn’t cross until we started to get a clue, calm down and grow up a bit. Consequently I think the Warcraft rule applies here. I know you daring, offensive, shocking little tykes would love to sound really brave and come over as ‘edgy’ (lol), but I also know you probably wouldn’t dare to say boo to me if you met me. Such is the unreality of the net.

If you want a real shock take your little play atheism onto the street and see what happens I’ll bring the band aids and a video-camera.

It’s all a bunch of stupidity, but the reason that I call attention to it is that wrapped up within the moronic sentiments, there is a very real and worthwhile conversation … it’s a much more strident conversation on a subject than I think I’ve ever seen - much less had the chance to participate in.  That conversation is… should atheists be loud and proud, or should we be quiet and “respectful”.

I’ll sum my position up by paraphrasing something Matt Dillahunty said on Non-Prophets Radio last week.  There are a group of people that seem to think the only way to have intelligent discourse is to shut of your distate for any position that you find stupid in the name of “respect”.  However, truly retarded positions don’t call for any respect - don’t need respect - and shouldn’t HAVE respect granted to them… period.  What kind of world would we be in today if no one ever openly scorned and ridiculed things that were stupid?

Apparently, it’s easier than I thought to be a militant atheist.  Apparently, all you have to do is buy a t-shirt!

Check out how militant the new atheists are by logging on to the website of one of the movement’s patriarchs, Brit Richard Dawkins. There you can buy aT-shirt with a quotation from Dawkins’ best-seller, “The God Delusion.”The quotation spares no punches for those of us who believe in God and the Bible: “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all of fiction; jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist…”

Well there you are! I cut short the intolerant diatribe, but don’t be surprised if you’re walking through the mall some day and you run smack into it - as I say, atheism is out of the closet, preaching their gospel with a fierce pitbull militancy we’ve never before seen here in the Western world.

via Atheists preach with evangelical fervour - The Daily Observer - Ontario, CA .

Well, crap… if a t-shirt makes you a militant, there’s an awful lot more militant Christians out there than there are militant atheists.

I wish I got weird-assed emails like these.  Surely, it would make my days more entertaining: 

Also if you have kids. when you lay your baby on the side, you crush the ears.The head is the heaviest part of the body at that stage. So you need to put a hole in the pillow or something, so the ears do not get crushed. You will have a much happier baby.

All comes from the ALMIGHTY FATHER,OUR LORD JESUS Christ and THE HOLY SPIRIT. i am just a worker.

Please look at the physic’s in all of this. To have a strong foundation,your structure has to be rectified.

If this could get out to the world. It will solve so many problem’s we face on this planet.

A program needs to be set up.

The problems are inside us. And here is the solution.

PS: Once you complete the seven week’s,look to the light, any light. Because evil will come after you. Safe journey.

via Pharyngula: I get email.

It sounds like someone had a lucid dream and decided it was real.

Evangelical Examiner Jake Jones is trying to piss off Atheists again: 

The problem as I see it is that Atheists seem to have a great deal of passion about …ah…ah…um……nothing. You got it, they have a passion for nothing. They don’t believe in God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, Heaven or Hell! So what do they believe in………nothing, that’s what.

Their passion for promoting their beloved Atheism is misplaced, and actually it’s a false passion. How do I come by this conclusion you ask? All one has to do is to read Atheist literature, listen to one speak, or simply have a discussion with an Atheist and you will soon find out that on the subject of Christianity, they defend their beloved Atheism so passionately that they actually make Christianity sound great because Christianity has a real foundation, Atheism has no foundation other than “they don’t believe”, and oh yeah, Darwin!

via Evangelical Examiner: The false passion of Atheism.

That’s a pretty sad worldview.  I can’t imagine someone having such a narrow view on life that the only thing they believe is worth having passion over is … god.  Something they can’t even see or touch or hear.  That’s a pretty big statement as to why religion can be so  harmful to people.  It fills up all the gaps with god so that there’s no room for … anything else.  At all.  Nothing bad, surely, but also nothing good.  Like having passion for nature or logic or, as someone put in the comments, “An atheist can be passionate about anything. Sunny days, dark chocolate, education, great art, football, you name it. Are you suggesting that you have no passion except for your faith”?